03086

Expansion to three divisions almost complete - a reply
Tuesday 6th October 2009 

Further to the notice on 03085

The LDCC Constitution states that a club shall have at least three sides (Rule 3 (b). Membership). It does not differentiate between Saturday and Sunday.

The mandate was to advertise and increase but not to name the clubs unilaterally (see below).



The following is an extract from the minutes of the 2009 AGM

2*. Expanding the L&DCC

Constitution  3a Membership P7

Amend

(a) Full Membership is to be limited to 36 clubs from 2010 onwards ………..

1st and 2nd XIs will be treated en bloc.

This proposal is as promised to member clubs at the End of Season 2008 SGM after debate and indicative voting.

On the assumption that the proposal to 36 clubs is approved, two separate votes will then be taken and club representatives must be empowered to decide on the night which of the two proposals “Either and Or” is to be adopted.

The Hon Sec explained that this was also a Constitutional item, again a two thirds majority of all full member clubs was required for this proposal to be successful in and a total of 19 votes or more would again be required.

The Chairman moved the meeting to a vote with minimal delay, carefully making the point that clubs had been required to send representatives to this meeting fully mandated to vote on behalf of their club on matters that were of fundamental importance to the L&DCC.

For: 20 Against: 5

Two clubs chose not to vote.
Proposal carried

3. Expanding the L&DCC

Playing regulations 1 (b) (i) Competitions P13

Either

(i) The 1st and 2nd XI league competitions in 2010 will each contain 36 teams with 12 teams playing in Premier, First and Second Divisions on a home and away basis. At the end of season 2009 3 teams will be relegated from the Premier Division and 1 promoted from the First Division, 4 teams will be relegated from the First Division to the Second.  From the end of season 2010, 2 teams will be relegated and promoted between the Premier, First and Second Divisions and 0 teams will be promoted from the Merseyside and Southport Cricket Alliance or its successor(s), there will be no relegation from the Second Division to the Merseyside and Southport Cricket Alliance or its successor(s) at the end of 2010 or 2011. All promotions are subject to compliance with Club and Ground Criteria.

(ii) A maximum of 8 teams will be invited from the Merseyside and Southport Cricket Alliance and surrounding leagues so as to create the Second Division of the L&DCC to take place in 2010. All invitations would be subject to compliance with Club and Ground Criteria.

Summary “Either”:

2009

2010

2011

2012

Prem

Div1

MSCA

Prem

Div1

Div 2

Prem

Div1

Div 2

Prem

Div1

Div 2

14

14

14

12

12

12

12

12

12

12

12

12

N/A
up

1
up

 
Max 8 into Div 2
 

N/A
up

2
up

2
up

N/A
up

2
up

2
up

N/A
up

2
up

2
up


3 down
 

4 down

MSCA
decision

2 down

2 down

0 down

2 down

2 down

0
down

2
down

2 down

to be agreed

The Hon Sec explained that as this was a Playing Regulations item, a two thirds majority of all full member clubs actually voting was required for this proposal to be successful; representatives had a spread sheet with the data printed out in full for their convenience.

The Chairman again moved the meeting to a vote as representatives had come to the meeting fully mandated by their clubs.

For: 18 Against: 9.

Proposal carried

Or

(i) The 1st and 2nd XI league competitions in 2010 will each contain 36 teams with 12 teams playing in a Premier Division, on a home and away basis and a 1st Division of 24 teams playing each other once only in 2010. At the end of season 2009 3 teams will be relegated from the Premier Division and one promoted from the First Division. The 16 teams then in the First Division will be joined by 8 teams to be invited from the Merseyside and Southport Cricket Alliance and surrounding leagues, subject to Club and Ground Criteria, so as to create this division of 24 teams.

(ii) At the end of season 2010 the top 2 sides in the First Division would be promoted to the Premier Division, 2 teams would be relegated from the Premier Division and join the next 10 teams in the 2010 First Division to create a 12 club First Division in 2011. The Second Division in 2011 will comprise the remaining 12 teams in the 2010 First Division. 

There will be no relegation from the Second Division in 2011 to the Merseyside and Southport Cricket Alliance or its successor(s).

All promotions at all times are subject to compliance with Club and Ground Criteria.

Summary “Or”:

2009

2010

2011

2012

Prem

Div1

MSCA

Prem

Div1

Prem

Div1

Div 2

Prem

Div1

Div 2

14

14

14

12

24

12

12

12

12

12

12

N/A
up

1
up

Max 8
into Div 1

 

N/A
up

1st and 2nd
to Prem

N/A
up

2
up

2
up

N/A
up

2
up

2
up

3rd to 12th  to Div 1



3
down

 

N/A
down

MSCA
decision

2 down

13th to 24th 
to Division 2

2
down

2
down

0
down

2
down

2
down

to be agreed

The chairman ruled that, as proposal 3 “Either” had been successful, there would be no discussion or voting on proposal 3 “Or”.


the notice for applications read as follows

LDCC expansion applications
Sunday 1st March 2009

The Business Assistance Liverpool and District Cricket Competition (LDCC) invites applications from clubs currently outwith the BA L&DCC and its associated pyramid structure ** to join the BA L&DCC in season 2010 as part of its expansion from 28 to 36 clubs.

Applications should be made in the first instance to the Hon Sec of the Business Assistance Liverpool and District Cricket Competition Chris Weston by e-mail to chrislizweston@talk21.com at the very latest by midnight on Tuesday 31st March 2009.


webmaster's comments:

** the above notice invited 'applications from clubs currently outwith the LDCC and its associated pyramid structure'.

The AGM minutes stated:

(ii) A maximum of 8 teams will be invited from the Merseyside and Southport Cricket Alliance and surrounding leagues so as to create the Second Division of the L&DCC to take place in 2010. All invitations would be subject to compliance with Club and Ground Criteria.

. . . but there haven't been any 'applications from clubs currently outwith the LDCC and its associated pyramid structure', and the MSCA clubs did not apply, so how can they be invited into the L&DCC?

The AGM minutes DO NOT state that MSCA clubs will be taken in if no other clubs apply. Furthermore, they do not state that clubs will be taken in without the consent of existing clubs.

Rule 3 (h) of the LDCC Constitution states that:

New applicants for membership must apply in writing to the Honorary Secretary in accordance with the criteria laid down by the local Cricket Board and/or the League cricket Conference and will be elected to membership only by member clubs voting at a general meeting.

This whole item appears to have been rushed through before next week's end of season meeting knowing that there will be objections from existing clubs.